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2013: The Year Of Security Certification Bashing
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linroeder
linroeder,
User Rank: Apprentice
1/2/2014 | 7:27:45 AM
Cost of Certifications
The biggest problem I see with certifications is, only people who already have a good job and make good money can afford to get them. Those who are working a lower level position and trying to work their way up the ladder can't because you need the certification to get the better job, but you can't afford to take the test. For instance, Comptia Security + exam costs almost $300. That's a lot of money for a person working in Tech Support making $10/hr. A lot of good people are being missed because they can't afford the cert and won't be given a chance to prove themselves without it.
anon3545279166
anon3545279166,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/31/2013 | 12:59:23 PM
Splitting hairs....
occupation: a person's usual or principal work or business...: vocation. ...

profession: a vocation requiring knowledge of some department of learning or science. ...

vocation:  a particular occupation, business, or profession;...

via dictionary.reference.com

 

I think I can see why the National Academy of Sciences is confused.

I would consider IT Security as requiring a great deal of knowledge though.  Certification should not get you a job but it should get you in the door.  It should indicate intent or goal.  The beginning, not the end.
khurtwilliams
khurtwilliams,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/31/2013 | 9:29:50 AM
Occupation versus Professional
According to my research there is only a slight difference in meaning between the words Occupation and Profession.  Apparently professional is used to indicate that the person has specialised knowledge.  I think the security industry has (and needs) both.  I know network professionals who are occupied as part of the security operations teams.  I know professional programmers who occupy their time finding (and remediating) bugs and vulnerabilities in software.  I know system administration professional who are occupied building and testing servers/shystems for security issues.
aditshar
aditshar,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/27/2013 | 5:07:18 AM
santa 2013
Santa 2013, security dosent seem to be an issue now...source: Capegemini Super Techie Show.

stom2
stom2,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/27/2013 | 12:33:49 AM
Is the perpetual cycle of certifications effective?
"Most certifications require either upgrade tests or continuing professional education credits to keep the certification in good standing." - This ruse has been used by the IT industry/vendors ad nauseum to promote their profitable training wing of their business operations. The debate should be not about whether a certification can guarantee success or not - because it doesn't -  but to one of how it can be made more effective rather than being a money making business for the IT industry. To be fair, why should one plop down thousands of dollars to train on a product/service and earn a certification that will be obsolete in a year or two? Training should come with the product/service especially in the cloud era. Experience used to be the benchmark for success not the mere possession of certifications. But these days folks clamor after it for promotions and "getting the job done" rather than doing the job thus neutralizing the effectiveness of certifications. Instead of certifications, low cost IT training should be made available on the web for the IT professionals, especially in light of employers shying away from training them.
fcchambers01
fcchambers01,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/26/2013 | 2:52:36 PM
Unfortunate cultural reflection
I'd argue that the denigration you're speaking of has less to do with the industry and related certifications than it does the rising tide of uncivilized discourse in general. We bash the other operating system, the other political party, the other game console... Pretty much the other point of view in general.
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