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Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
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Greg MacSweeney
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10/31/2013 | 3:18:34 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Great column. Although, 75% of millennials reading this article have no clue who Bo Derek is, (they are all googling her right now) LOL.

Tip #2 is a great point, although finding the hiring manager is sometimes extremely difficult.
Becca Lipman
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11/1/2013 | 3:17:14 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Guilty of the Googling. As for tip #2, easier said than done. HR will come for you eventually.
Mark Aiello
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11/4/2013 | 9:12:39 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
True. But at least you will have a good head start.
Mark Aiello
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10/31/2013 | 5:07:37 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Thanks Greg. Glad you liked it. I guess the Bo Derek reference shows my age. Maybe Hollywood will do a remake with Scarlett Johansson.

LinkedIn is a great resource for finding a hiring manager. Not perfect but 99% accurate. Go #RedSox
Joe Stanganelli
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11/1/2013 | 2:33:57 AM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Of course, you may not be able to contact them if you're not in their network.

So perhaps the lesson is to use LinkedIn to find the hiring manager, then use Facebook or some other platform to touch base with them. (And even Facebook, now that it has introduced Graph Search, duplicates many LinkedIn search functions -- in some ways better than LinkedIn does.)
mak63
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11/4/2013 | 8:48:09 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
A remake with Scarlett Johansson? We can only dream...

You know, I remember Bo Derek very vividly, but I can't recall anything about the movie.

Also, why not mention someone like Brad Pitt as well for the female hiring managers?
Mark Aiello
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11/4/2013 | 9:10:36 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Hi Marcello. You caught me. I never even gave Brad Pitt consideration. Once I had the vision of Scarlett, I couldn't think of much else.
mak63
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11/5/2013 | 12:34:41 AM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
I know exactly what you mean! But the way, thanks for the websites on Tip 5. Worth to check it out. There's a non-profit near by where I'm gonna follow Tip 6, and make the first move.
No, I won't wear a blonde wig. ;)
Mark Aiello
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11/5/2013 | 12:58:03 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Great and Good luck.
Also, let's connect through LinkedIn. Send me an invite at [email protected] and I will accept. Maybe I will be able to help sometime in the future.
TerryB
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10/31/2013 | 5:38:13 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
I'm not sure your doing anyone any favors here, Mark. Besides the unqualified guy who is hired to handle your computer security that is. If there is one place where you don't someone learning on the job, it's security. Is there really a entry level job in security, except maybe reviewing IDS logs?
Mark Aiello
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Mark Aiello,
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10/31/2013 | 5:50:15 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Hi Terry. Every experienced professional began their career without experience. I would not recommend hiring someone with no experience to lead your security group but I do recommend hiring a combination of knowledge and attitude. Knowledge does not always equal experience.

And yes, there are lots of "entry-level" jobs in security. What's wrong with accepting a job to review IDS logs? If you are good and have a good attitude, it will lead to other opportunities. Not everyone can start at the top.
TerryB
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11/1/2013 | 5:44:41 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
You are obviously talking about big companies if you have a "security group". I would agree there is something they could do at entry level. I'm talking about bringing someone in to lock down your extranet site. You really want someone with a "good attitude" and no other track record doing that?
And Joe, while your premise that anyone can learn on job is theoretically true, some jobs you just can't make mistakes to learn from. I'm a developer, if I had a dime for every piece of code I ever wrote that didn't work the first time, I'd be buying Bill Gates mansion. In security, you may learn something after someone hacks in and steals your credit card info but you won't be around to learn from it. At least not at that company.
And lawyers can afford to make mistakes to learn from, it's someone else that will pay price for that. You'll be on to next client, who know nothing about your mistake. Little comparison to someone employed by a business for a career, like IT outside of consulting.
Joe Stanganelli
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11/1/2013 | 2:32:03 AM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
There are very very very very few jobs that can't be mostly learned on the job, even if you didn't go to school for it (including, if State Bars didn't mostly forbid it, mine -- attorney).

I'll take the dedicated quick study over the guy that looks good on paper any day.
Joe Stanganelli
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11/1/2013 | 2:29:46 AM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Tip 1 is apt...but too bad HR staffers and hiring managers often forget it themselves.
Mark Aiello
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11/1/2013 | 1:39:05 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Hi Joe. "I'll take the dedicated quick study over the guy that looks good on paper any day." From your lips to the Hiring Managers ears. I agree.

You are correct re: Tip 1. It is exactly why one must control their own message. It is important to figure out what needs to be done and then draft a response that explains why you are qualified. Lots of "job descriptions" are not descriptive. With many positions, individuals can use social media to locate who was employed in that role previously and see if it is possible to figure out what they did.
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11/1/2013 | 8:41:43 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
I completely agree with your point on job descriptions, Mark. Pretty much anyone can be a "team player" or "multi-tasker," and perform administrative tasks, which many job descriptions ask for. When it came to positions like those, I personally liked using LinkedIn because users often post their job duties and give a genuine idea of what they did.
Mark Aiello
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11/4/2013 | 12:01:28 PM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Hi Kelly. That is a pet peeve of mine. Like "capable of working independently or as a part of a team". LinkedIn is a great resource. There is an incredible amount of information available if you are willing to do a little digging.
Joe Stanganelli
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11/3/2013 | 6:10:33 AM
re: Looking For A Security Job? You Don't Need To Be Bo Derek
Additionally, many hiring managers simply want someone who can do the job -- but HR then pressures them into or imposes upon them arbitrary "qualifications". E.g., 5 years doing blah-blah (particularly laughable when said technology has only existed for, say, 6 years).


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