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Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
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enazster
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8/21/2013 | 12:07:25 AM
re: Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
when I see phrases like"...crimes against the American people" I start wondering how objective the article is. This is clearly the kind of thing that is said by someone that wants to break the law without getting caught.
dbtinc
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8/21/2013 | 1:12:05 PM
re: Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
I'm sure they said something similar to that in Germany in 1932 ... wake up to the fact that the government has become way too intrusive in your private affairs and all in the name of public "security." You are witnessing the birth of the American 4th Reich.
melgross
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8/21/2013 | 4:26:10 PM
re: Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
Since all governments with the technology do this, it's ridiculous to believe that moving to providers elsewhere will make any difference. I like that Snowden stated, when he arrived in Russia that he was now in a real democracy. This just goes to show how naive these people really are.

We all know just how insecure e-mail is. We've been to,d this since the beginning. I don't see any difference now. If the government wants to get the info it always could. This is just something we have to get used to. This is all in response to terrorism since 9/11. We have to decide whether we want security or privacy. Some people will choose security, and others will choose privacy.

But there's already a movement in Congress to limit this. We'll see how that goes.

We can see how many people feel by the response to the Boston Marathon bombers this year. People were asking why they weren't caught before, what with all the phone tapping the NSA is supposedly doing. The truth is that they do t do what would be required for this. No recording, or listening g to phone conversations, unless they already have suspicions. And as we saw there, even when they do have suspicions of someone, they miss most of the info.

The same thing is happening with e-mail. Almost none of it will ever be seen.
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8/21/2013 | 4:27:03 PM
re: Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
Good for you. Keep thinking that way. You obviously don't really believe it, or you wouldn't have posted that in the first place.
Thomas Claburn
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8/21/2013 | 4:57:41 PM
re: Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
It's a reference to alleged violations of the US Constitution, specifically the First and Fourth Amendments.
RobPreston
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8/21/2013 | 5:30:03 PM
re: Groklaw Shuts Down, Cites Government Surveillance
I think the point is that it's difficult to have an intelligent conversation about government surveillance/spying activities when the Nazi/Third Reich card is pulled.


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