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NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
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JoeBlowZCUI
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6/7/2013 | 3:45:46 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
Legality is, to a large extent, irrelevant.
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This is a level of government surveillance unseen in the history of humanity. A vast majority of the cell phone-using population of the United States are monitored. A vast majority of the the earth's internet users are being monitored.
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To be melodramatic to make a point: this is the kind of thing that would justify burning down Congress. Americans should be in the streets. And every globally concerned citizen should be writing to their government representatives, imploring them to complain to the Americans for this highly immoral and secretive global surveillance.
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I believe this behavior should be considered a crime against humanity. It is a violation of basic human decency, and is obscene. Many heads should roll.
ANON1238069211759
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6/7/2013 | 5:11:22 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
It is only "legal" because the people who created the secrect laws, courts and warrents say they are legal. Of course everything is labled top secrect so no one can look at them anyways. It is only "legal" because no one has or can stopped them.

No one will be tried, no one will be convicted because they were all following the "law". Only the Supreme court can say it is illegal and they can only do that once someone has been tried and convicted using these nefarious methods.

This is not a Republican vs Democrat issue. This is an American vs the Government issue. An Us vs Them issue. This affects us all. When the FBI, NSA and IRS can arrogantly target individual Americans, we are right back to King Gerorge III.
Lorna Garey
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6/7/2013 | 5:25:14 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
Many of the media outlets yelling about this are the same ones asking why the FBI didn't stop the Tsarnaev brothers before the Boston bombings. The phrase "damned if you do, damned if you don't" comes to mind. A discussion is needed over how much monitoring Americans will accept in return for disruption of terrorist plots.
Jed Davis
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6/7/2013 | 5:33:02 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
"If you trust the government to follow the rules, both models end up in much the same place," Baker said. Yep, IF......
Jed Davis
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6/7/2013 | 5:35:39 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
Here's my vote. Probable cause. Anything else is a direct goose step toward totalitarianism.
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6/7/2013 | 5:36:03 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
It is legal for congress to take bribes now -- because they changed the law. It is now illegal to report illegal activites in food processing sites now - because the industry paid alot of money to congress and wrote the law - ie whistle blowing that benefits the pubic is now illegal. Several industries have put in laws that name them or their industry directly to make them excempt from laws the rest of us follow, all perfectly "legal". If they pass a law that it is ok for the goverment to hold US citizens without trail forever, and make it illegal to talk about it or challange it in court. Then it is perfectly legal -- but it is still wrong.
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6/7/2013 | 5:41:50 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
This is what the Patriot Act has brought us.
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6/7/2013 | 6:25:59 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
In addition to Jed's response to Lorna's comment, the fact is that the Tsarnaev brothers were NOT stopped despite this Big Brother snooping. Sometimes, people have a false sense of security, particularly if they think they will not be targets. The fact is, these programs are run by human beings with the same limitations as any other human beings. The false sense of security will be quickly upended when you become the target for some idiotic reason and, by then, it will be too late...
Lorna Garey
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6/7/2013 | 7:08:40 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
While "goose stepping toward totalitarianism" is a bit histrionic, I never said I think the government is in the right. It's a pretty clear infringement on the 4th amendment, IMO. That said, for the sake of argument, what if the NSA proved that the program did stop four or five other plots like the Boston bombing by using data analysis to connect dots and show the FBI where to look?
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6/7/2013 | 8:05:23 PM
re: NSA PRISM Creates Stir, But Appears Legal
and we've already seen how easily these agencies can be hacked
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