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Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
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anon9991459376
anon9991459376,
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11/10/2014 | 9:15:12 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
Yeah, we need good attorneies, and better alternatives.I emailed to Oracle,about this java mess,and told them,"Your company,and java,are so technologically faulty,and constant trouble,many of we computer users are asking Asian business and countries to manufacture a good substitute for java,so we will no longer suffer thru Oracle's incompetence." I am serious; Asia is now far superior to American technology, and evolution will kill off the non-functioning, badly made software, and enterprising superior companies will take over.We java users are even asking Asia to do it, we need to stop using junk-software that never works.--and the superior companies can do it, and profit well from it.Oracle is like other American tech. co.s; they make inferior,junk email, software,(bill gates, hear me?) and we millions of users are sick of it. We will not stay with inferior junk,and it's co.s if we have a better alternative. sorry, that's just my opinion as a much-harried user.You can choose otherwise, of course.  
anon9991459376
anon9991459376,
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11/10/2014 | 8:59:37 PM
Java version 8 security blocks all art applets from runniing.
Dear Sir I go on art websites that need aplets, java,to run art software.Java 8 was FORCED ON US,the sites won't accept vesion 7 either.All the configuring to let the art sitess not be blocked by java 8 security does not work;NOTHING stops java from blocking all art site applets running! thousands of people in the world use oekaki art websites using excellent Japanese-based software.Most of the siites,"2draw.net" is a huge major one.("chickensmoothie.net" or ".net" is the exception, Asian based,does function). "Rydia.net", "rateyourdrawing(s).com" are all blocked by java security.Many other art sites that need java to run art applets, ALL BLOCKED from functioning byjava 8 security .I use windows 7,HP Pavillion, 64-bit.IS THERE a java security-block-fix-patch for me,and other art applet users? Please? thanks so much!!

 

 
jjohnson551
jjohnson551,
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1/21/2013 | 5:51:14 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
You are wrong about JavaFX, it requires the JRE.

Also the JRE is required for any Oracle E-business suite, Oracle Discover, etc customer thus why many cannot just turn it off. The reason the JRE is not updated in companies is because Oracle does not provide an enterprise method for pushing updates. There are loosely published methods to do it via Group Policy or Configuration Manager, but these often fail, and are NOT supported by Oracle.

So bottom line issue is: Oracle requires the JRE for their products, but does not provide any supported method to update the JRE other than someone with admin rights apply it manually on every computer.

I wonder were the lawyers are when you need them?
Mathew
Mathew,
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1/21/2013 | 10:35:40 AM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
Hi -- Very, very good question, and my apologies for not being clearer. As has been noted in other comments, the issue applies *solely* to the Java browser plug-in, and (technically) to a lesser extent to the run-time environment. (The prevailing security wisdom is that having Java on your system will increase the attack surface, so you're better off removing it, if it's not necessary.)

But to be clear--and I should have said this--the current Java-removal advice doesn't apply to anything else with "Java" in the title, such as Enterprise JavaBeans, embedded Java, JavaFX, JavaScript.
DavidGP
DavidGP,
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1/20/2013 | 12:28:02 AM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
Falling behind? Oracle released JAVA 7u11, which has the fix for that bug and another. No JAVA 6 updated version, yet!
Stratocaster
Stratocaster,
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1/18/2013 | 11:26:28 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
I think most users would agree that the auto-update function in Adobe Flash is notoriously unreliable. I generally learn about such updates from my subscription to Mr. KrebsG invaluable site.

Part of the problem also is that until very recently, Java Runtime did not uninstall elegantly. I have seen a few machines which still had Java 1.5 on them coexisting with later versions because of some arcane corporate web app. In my own enterprise environment, I have NEVER received a push-out update for JRE; I do it myself, which many users are prohibited from doing due to desktop lockdown group policies. (I do not work in the IT department.) In fact, the help screen for one widely used web app checks to see whether the required GǣJava 1.5 or Java 1.6Gǥ (sic) is installed. There is no mention of Java 7, although Oracle has announced that support for Java 6 will cease next month.
Andrew Binstock
Andrew Binstock,
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1/18/2013 | 10:18:11 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
The issue is primarily in the browser. All other forms of Java (Java desktop, server apps, embedded Java, etc.) are safe unless they're reading consuming web sites and then running an infected Java payload--something that's possible, but very, very unlikely.
verdumont456
verdumont456,
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1/18/2013 | 7:52:17 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
I don't think it was true.. The issue was Apple decided not to support Flash. Apple decided to use HTML5 instead of buggy flash.. I think it was the right decision. Adobe was forced to release a server side software would convert flash videos to HTML5 for the clients which doesn't have flash.
pwndecaf
pwndecaf,
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1/18/2013 | 7:45:28 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
Thanks - I was expecting answers to all the questions the author raised, also.
NunchuckNorris
NunchuckNorris,
User Rank: Apprentice
1/18/2013 | 6:58:38 PM
re: Java Security Warnings: Cut Through The Confusion
"What about JavaScript, EJB, JavaFX, Android and any other use of the programming language?"

Umm. OK, so the JavaScript question was answered, but what about the others?

This is only an issue with the browser Java plugin, which runs on the desktop. It is not an issue with EJBs or any of the other Java (JEE, etc) that runs on the server side, nor is it an exploit of Android, or embedded. That is an important disctinction that really should be made, before the Java technology at-large is unduely tarnished.

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