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Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
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jerrynesmith
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1/11/2013 | 6:06:59 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
I thought this (DDoS as Freedom of Speech) a ridiculous notion. But I thought the same of corporations' having protected freedom of speech as a person and freedom of speech being spending unlimited money on political campaigns and remaining anonymous.
lgaryHB
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1/11/2013 | 6:17:01 PM
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At the risk of being attacked by Anonymous, I would argue that their premise is cute, but flawed. An Occupy protest sits on public property outside of the established business. Were they to enter the business they are protesting, they would be violating laws on the books, not exercising free speech rights. Also, business is still being conducted inside the premises. DDoS attacks are not by definition staying on the public square, but are entering the established online business site. You cannot knock on the door of an online web page without entering. The attacker might also be violating that business or individual's free speech rights by blocking the web page from being presented in the public internet. And if you were to repeatedly knock on a real business's door thousands of times a second, you would be subject to harassment charges if not trespassing. That is not speech nor is it peaceable assembly.
irishutopia
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1/11/2013 | 6:21:26 PM
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hmm...an interesting spin on the idea, but wouldn't this lead to everyone throwing down random DDoS attacks in the name of protest?
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1/13/2013 | 11:28:41 AM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
Unless you can get quite a few others to freely use their computers in a coordinated attack, thus making it "distributed", then the target site will be able to thwart it pretty easily... automatically even.

One person with a picket sign (one computer launching a denial attack) does not much of a protest make. The more people join a protest, the more valid and effective it is.

The hijacking of computers for the bot-net seems clearly illegal to me though. A lot like taking hostages to use as human shields.

Perhaps then, it's a misnomer with consequences to call these "DDoS attacks," as those may be a valid 21st Century exercise of FoS. Instead, it is the computer hijackings that are the crime and, due to their number, might justify a fairly stiff sentence.
Brittany
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1/14/2013 | 5:22:55 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
Wow, this is something else. It's one thing to protest and picket outside of business but doing so is not going to cost a company thousands of dollars in lost business like an outage would. Maybe a few customers walk away to avoid the protest but a DDOS is so much more destructive. What will they think of next?
ikeman
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1/11/2013 | 6:25:41 PM
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Doesn't DDoS imply that several compromised systems were required to make this so-called protest? By doing so, they are implicitly including other people in the protest who may not agree with the protest, and they've hacked their computers...sorry, they need to rethink that argument, unless all the computers involved to create the DDoS attack are all their own computers. Plus, protesting should be one person to one protest ratio, not one person can make thousands of the same protest ratio.
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1/11/2013 | 6:35:33 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
Good point. Unless the owners of all the machines used agreed to participate in the DDoS attack, the attackers are engaging in what amounts to burglary and hijacking (regardless of what the law may happen to say).
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Michael Endler,
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1/13/2013 | 9:47:55 PM
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Yeah, I think several people here have it right: it might be legitimate if a DDoS attack involves hundreds of thousands of people trying to access a site simultaneously in a coordinated protest, but it's another matter when a handful of people (maybe just one?) use botnets. I can appreciate why the notion of corporate personhood makes the petition emotionally attractive in certain contexts, and I think there's a line to be drawn somewhere-- but, as Mathew points out, good luck if you expect the current Congress to find it.
jries921
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1/11/2013 | 6:32:12 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
Right!

...and setting off Molotov cocktails is covered by the right to keep and bear arms!

I agree that corporate political expenditures aren't free speech either (as the late Justice Hugo Black famously said, "Speech is speech"), but dubious Supreme Court precedents are no excuse.

DDoS attacks are harassment, not speech.
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1/11/2013 | 7:05:27 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
After seeing the faces of IT execs hearing that they are being attacked I'd go further to classify them as terrorism.

Release the drones on them! (At risk of having them taken over. ;-)
jries921
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1/13/2013 | 12:10:51 AM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
Now that's crazy. It's one thing to sabotage a computer system; it's quite another to deliberately kill or injure people to further one's political goals.
Laurianne
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1/11/2013 | 7:23:21 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
My colleague at Dark Reading, Kelly Jackson Higgins, points out that this same issue came up at the most recent DefCon conference. Read more about it: http://www.darkreading.com/dat...

Laurianne McLaughlin
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JerryJ
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1/11/2013 | 7:23:51 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
lgaryHB is spot on. DDoS is not freedom of speech, it's criminal tresspass. As for jail time, the members of anonymous are civil disobedients (well, some of them are, the others are just bored or in it for kicks). A civil disobedient's duty is to submit to the punishment prescribed by law.
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1/11/2013 | 7:51:35 PM
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What a load of BS. What these self-righteous jerks are saying that they should be able to exercise their freedom of speech by denying somebody else's their's.
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1/11/2013 | 9:17:06 PM
re: Anonymous Says DDoS Attacks Like Free Speech
Kinda like corporations drowning out the voices of real people by exercising their "freedom of speech" more loudly, more often and by contributing more money and being more influential than any real person can possibly be.
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1/12/2013 | 5:26:22 PM
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"Anonymous" are mostly 13 to 15 year old boy's. do we really give two fucks about the speech rights of a bunch of kids who's idea of great comedy is lol dong's?
moarsauce123
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1/11/2013 | 11:47:50 PM
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So breaking other peoples stuff is free speech? What are they smoking?
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1/12/2013 | 5:22:45 PM
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DDoS attacks suppress free speech. the attack is no more free speech than me screaming in someone's face who is trying to have an intelligent debate with me.


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