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The "Typical" Security Engineer: Hiring Myths & Stereotypes
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Joe Stanganelli
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Joe Stanganelli,
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11/30/2018 | 10:23:14 PM
Re: Very few understand security
@REISEN: Well, sure, in a better world, we wouldn't have this outsourcing. We'd have companies investing in their staff, which only happens if you're willing to be imaginative in your hiring practices and commit to your employees.


Oh, well.
REISEN1955
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11/30/2018 | 8:29:45 AM
Re: Very few understand security
True to the extent of "most jobs" like planning, human resources, plumbing, etc.  These are long known jobs that have a history and thus plenty of qualified folk.  Cybersecurity is relatively new and in IT with only the past 5 or 10 years at max.  Plus IT is now jaded as management often outsources to India (Wipro, been there, done that) without regard to QUALITY  of work - just the expense of it.  So few people now enter the field because of the good chance their career job will be decimated.  Why go there?  Less so with cyber security but the effect lingers.  Why go there too. 
Joe Stanganelli
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11/29/2018 | 11:13:56 PM
Re: Very few understand security
@REISEN: In some areas, like AI, some companies are hiring people in STEM fields other than computer science, like astronomers and physicists, with the idea that they can apply and adapt their mathematical and scientific expertise to AI programming.

That's probably what cybersecurity needs -- instead of HR people looking to check a bunch of boxes. Most jobs people don't know how to do until they start doing it. Cybersecurity is no exception.
Dr.T
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11/29/2018 | 1:10:45 PM
Re: Very few understand security
With a knod to James Bond to aggressively kill and hunt the stuff. It is not a dull and boring field. Agree. Not at all. It is getting more and more attraction and that is good for IT field.
Dr.T
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11/29/2018 | 1:09:04 PM
Re: Very few understand security
So staff is hard to find. Then you have the investigavtive mindset Makes sense. We just hired a new graduate developer and he found another good paying job in 6 months.
Dr.T
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11/29/2018 | 1:07:46 PM
Re: Very few understand security
you have to be hired to get experience and that requires a cert so you don't get hired thus staff does not exist. Good point. It is mainly learning at the job in most cases.
Dr.T
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11/29/2018 | 1:06:15 PM
Re: Very few understand security
Certifications are darn hard to obtain and having experience is the best route to that but, Agree with this and some are useless anymore.
Dr.T
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11/29/2018 | 1:05:09 PM
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REISEN1955
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REISEN1955,
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11/28/2018 | 3:18:59 PM
Very few understand security
This field is like the wild west right now - few people are good gunslingers, fewer know how to shoot.  Certifications are darn hard to obtain and having experience is the best route to that but, well, you have to be hired to get experience and that requires a cert so you don't get hired thus staff does not exist.  Endless circle of frustration.  Some who have experienced malware and ransomware understand it, a few know how to defeat it.  I did twice for my clients many years ago (catalog backups).  So staff is hard to find.  Then you have the investigavtive mindset - one has to be Sherlock Holmes to find Moriarty these days.  With a knod to James Bond to aggressively kill and hunt the stuff.  It is not a dull and boring field.  


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