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The Case for MarDevSecOps
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Marc250
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10/30/2018 | 3:23:44 PM
God, please, no; stop this bullshit.
I don't think I've ever read that amount of business bullshit, but I knew it was coming when I first saw DevOps concept. Of course you want people to do myriads of things under one job position because of savings, but true specialists and experts will remain in their area of expertise, so - ultimately - crap like MarDevSecFinJanitorChefOps concepts has to die. The more things you do, the less solid results are. It is inevitable. Laws of physics.
jim.kaskade
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10/30/2018 | 5:40:11 PM
Re: God, please, no; stop this bullshit.
Fair enough. I wasn't advocating for a new group (like MarDevSecFinJanitorChefOps). I was saying that before my CMO pulls in yet another marketing tool (lets look at Scott Brinker's ChiefMarTech list), one might sit down with an intelligent group internally to talk about how that plays into centralized consent management, etc.).

It's more about bringing the fragmented players together when it comes to consumer data.
Dr.T
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Dr.T,
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10/31/2018 | 9:12:05 AM
MarDevSecOps
I like the concept of MarDevSecOps. Marketing should be streamlined into security operations for sure.
Dr.T
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10/31/2018 | 9:17:49 AM
Re: God, please, no; stop this bullshit.
The more things you do, the less solid results are. It is inevitable. Laws of physics. This is a fair point. However these days we are being asked more with less.
Dr.T
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10/31/2018 | 9:30:13 AM
Re: God, please, no; stop this bullshit.
intelligent group internally to talk about how that plays into centralized consent management, etc This makes sense. Marketing and other groups should be part of it in my view.
Dr.T
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10/31/2018 | 12:46:19 PM
User need
If marketing were brought into the process, it could help developers intimately understand the end user's needs I agree with this statement. We tend to develop things that nobody needs.
Dr.T
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10/31/2018 | 12:49:12 PM
Where the problem is.
If DevSecOps stakeholders don't include marketing or worse, let marketing continue to think it is safe to take IT procurement in its own hands Obviously this is where the problem is. IT can easily be by-passed.
Joe Stanganelli
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Joe Stanganelli,
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10/31/2018 | 10:41:44 PM
Sec vs. Privacy vs. Compliance
The only problem with all of this philosophizing is that security, privacy, and compliance -- while comprising the greater Venn diagram of data stewardship -- remain separate (if partially overlapping) circles. Security is not privacy. Privacy is not compliance. Compliance is not security. It's really going to take much more interaction to get marketing on board with these regulations -- as well as to be proactive enough with privacy, security, and best practices such that future regulation and law don't cause too big of a speed bump. Ditto for dev teams (who are just as guilty of making bad decisions with data).
Joe Stanganelli
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10/31/2018 | 10:43:20 PM
Re: God, please, no; stop this bullshit.
I agree, @Jim. Vendors are great for outsourcing certain things, but the one thing you should never outsource (or, at least, almost never) is strategy. Strategy has to come from within, and that requires the kind of holistic approach you're talking about -- buzzword combos aside.
Joe Stanganelli
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10/31/2018 | 10:45:35 PM
Re: Where the problem is.
@Dr.T: Conversely, however, in many organizations, marketing's hands would effectively be tied if they had to run everything through IT (especially in those orgs where the marketing department frequently faces uphill battles to justify itself to operations people who don't understand what marketing does, what good marketing looks like, or why marketing is important). You can really only deal with this with partnership between IT and marketing, from the top down. But that takes a huge effort that many orgs simply don't feel that they can afford.
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