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NSS Labs Files Antitrust Suit Against Symantec, CrowdStrike, ESET, AMTSO
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pdcz
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pdcz,
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12/7/2018 | 6:36:46 AM
Re: NSS Antitrust Law Suit
Exactly. I do not see any problem. And if there IS some problem with standard (which really is actually just guideline) then why they do not publish openly what are the problematic parts and how they would like to change them. As somebody said alrerady this brings questions what NSS has to hide by not accepting this open "standard".
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HardenStance,
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9/21/2018 | 6:57:24 AM
It's important that the NSS Labs Suit should not succeed.
 

Can't say I'm in the least bit surprised.

It's important that the NSS Labs suit against AMTSO should not succeed, in my view.

What AMTSO is trying to achieve is self-evidently a 'good thing'. Its goals - as supported by a who's-who of pretty much anybody who's anybody in endpoint security - are entirely consistent with bringing more open, transparent, security testing standards to consumers and businesses.

Has AMTSO somewhere in its articles of incorporation or operating practices left some kind of miniscule loophole - some missing word, some un-crossed 't' or some upside down full-stop - that a lawyer can seize upon as a 'gotcha' for their client? I haven't the faintest idea. You have to hope not.

Something else. IT security professionals have long complained about lack of transparency in endpoint security testing. Many look at independent test house results based on proprietary test methods and the first thing the eyes do is look to the clouds (if they don't glaze over first).

You get the politicians you deserve? I don't altogether go along with that. But do enterprise IT organizations get the security testing standards they deserve? Yeah, they do. AMTSO needs support from its lawyers and its members, right now. But it needs a lot more support from enterprise users too.
tdsan
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9/20/2018 | 5:17:18 PM
Thank you for your insight
I appreciate the background information you provided, it seems that NSS is going after a number of companies (not just Crowdstrike), this seems to be backlash from other encounters they have had outside of this specific incident:

→ Cybersecurity vendors CrowdStrike, ESET, and Symantec

However, the question still remains, if Crowdstrike has nothing to hide and if they have confidence in their product, then why is there such resistance, seems to me that Crowdstrike has something to hide (also, per the recommendation from the courts). NSS labs uses tools from the wild that will more resemble attacks as opposed to running simple tests that don't really give the user a clear indication of how their product will fair when it is attacked using surreptious and/or zero-day attack methods.

In addition, I would like to know which methods they thought did not meet their approval, in the wild, there will be numerous things that don't meet their approval, especially after spending $150K.

I am curious what the courts will rule, again, time will tell.

Todd
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Kelly Jackson Higgins,
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9/20/2018 | 3:20:33 PM
Re: NSS Antitrust Law Suit
@tdsan,

That's a good question and there a few things going on here. NSS Labs maintains that the AMTSO is skewed to the vendors and not independent, and that its own testing is more independent than one approved by vendors (AMTSO's). There also appears to be some bad blood between NSS Labs and CrowdStrike, publicly dating back to 2017 when CrowdStrike attempted (and failed) to get a restraining order to prevent NSS from publishing test results. According to CrowdStrike, it found NSS's testing methods questionable and the results based on incorrect and incomplete information. So it pulled out of the test, and then NSS accessed CrowdStrike's Falcon product via reseller in a violation of CrowdStrike's EULA. CrowdStrike said the test didn't have all of the product's features enabled, so it wasn't an accurate asssessment: https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint/crowdstrike-fails-in-bid-to-stop-nss-labs-from-publishing-test-results-at-rsa/d/d-id/1328154

CrowdStrike called NSS Labs' antitrust suit "baseless" this morning, and now NSS is firing back and calling out CrowdStrike's "smear tactics" and dismissing AMTSO as a "pay to play" thing. 

So...I really don't think NSS Labs has any plans to go AMTSO. 
tdsan
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9/20/2018 | 2:35:15 PM
NSS Antitrust Law Suit
What I am confused about is as follows:

→ Why can't NSS Adopt the ATMSO protocol/methodology as part of their overall testing strategy?

→ Why don't they provide ATMSO and their independent testing concept and compare the two?

If they did this, then they would be the defacto standard when it comes to security pentesting.

I think it is about pride and money as opposed to anything else.

Oh well, time will tell.

Todd


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