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Rethinking Vulnerability Disclosures In Industrial Control Systems
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Joe Stanganelli
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Joe Stanganelli,
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2/6/2017 | 4:45:29 PM
Re: ICS and IoT
@Dr.T:  Sure.  ICS is really just an enterprise-grade IoT device/system.  Additionally, there is generally more at stake w/ ICS than with other "run-of-the-mill" IoT devices -- even if are speaking strictly in the enterprise context.
MarkT563
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MarkT563,
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2/5/2017 | 5:15:41 PM
ICS System Patching
ICS vendors are becoming better at providing patches for vunerabilities related to operating systems. However, the patches can be delayed as the vendor usually performs regression testing to ensure any patch does not have an adverse affect on the ICS software.

Patching can be further delayed as the client deploying the patch on their ICS will also test the patch on an offline system to ensure there are no adverse effects.
Dr.T
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Dr.T,
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1/30/2017 | 1:36:25 PM
ICS and IoT
 

I think these go together when it comes to the security, they work and we do not touch them until we face a big security attack on them. Then the game will be completely different.
Dr.T
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Dr.T,
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1/30/2017 | 1:36:05 PM
Re: Vuln Disclosures
"production site disconnected from the public Internet."

Good idea. It may be that some platforms are designed to work with the internet, unless vendors provide this potion it would not be easy to implement.
Dr.T
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Dr.T,
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1/30/2017 | 1:34:17 PM
Re: Vuln Disclosures
"need to try to keep them a little more private "

This would be a little bit hard to do, if there is vulnerability then most likely there is many others already knowing it.
Dr.T
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Dr.T,
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1/30/2017 | 1:32:25 PM
Re: Vuln Disclosures
"most don't implement the patch in time to prevent an attack."

Good point. We do not take action unless we see we are impacted. Especially with ICS environment it would be worse.
Dr.T
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Dr.T,
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1/30/2017 | 1:29:09 PM
Mechanical things
 

Mechanical things are hard to hack without close proximity however when we start automating most of the things then we make them vulnerable too.
WolfgangK818
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1/30/2017 | 3:58:42 AM
Re: Vuln Disclosures
Sometimes bad guys know the vulnerability already before it gets disclosed .e.g. in targeted and state sponsored attacks. This are the biggest threats... I agree we need to keep away vulnerabilities/exploits from "newbie hackers" and script kiddies but we require to find ways to speed up the implementation of compensation controls, either by vendors or manufacturer, or best jointly.
richalt
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richalt,
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1/27/2017 | 5:30:46 PM
Re: Vuln Disclosures
Although patches may not be forthcoming, the ICS vendor can certainly get their production site disconnected from the public Internet.  This is a step which should happen immediately.  In other words, workarounds need to be deployed with an assumption of vulnerability.  Don't wait for the attack to prove you are vulnerable.

 
jcavery
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jcavery,
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1/27/2017 | 3:13:46 PM
Vuln Disclosures
"Disclosing vulnerabilities prior to a patch being released by the vendor only helps the bad guys, and these disclosures significantly decrease the skills required for attackers to be successful."

Any disclosure has this impact even if a patch was released, as most don't implement the patch in time to prevent an attack... I agree we don't need to be publicly disclosing ICS vulnerabilities but we still have alot of thinking to do in how we disclose vulns in regular consumer products too, need to try to keep them a little more private, within the industry, instead of pasting them on the front page for any newbie hacker to cherry-pick.


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