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How Diversity Can Bridge The Talent Gap
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Joe Stanganelli
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8/23/2016 | 2:01:34 PM
Additional exacerbation
Also exacerbating this is what was allegedly found in that oft-cited internal HP study from some years ago: That men are generally/on average willing to apply for jobs if they meet only 60% of the stated "qualifications," whereas women are generally only willing to apply for jobs if they meet 100% of the stated "qualifications."

The real issue, IMHO, is that most girls are raised and treated a certain way that is very different from how most boys are raised and treated -- consequently limiting their own self-expectations.

There was some smarmy blog post/op-ed that went semi-viral a while back about raising your sons like daughters.  I think it should be the other way around: raise your daughters like sons.
Kelly Jackson Higgins
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8/23/2016 | 2:21:39 PM
Re: Additional exacerbation
Mindset is definitely an issue, and the panelists were very frank and insightful on that issue. I still love Angie Leifson's "just do it" mindset--wise words from a millennial who has already made quite an impression in the field. 
GonzSTL
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8/24/2016 | 3:42:00 PM
Re: Additional exacerbation
This is where the most impact can be achieved. It is my personal goal to spread STEM awareness in young kids, especially girls. The stereotypical girl, raised and/or influenced by peers in directions diverted from STEM is something that must change. Additionally, boys tend to be more "aggressive" in pursuing results, so they take higher risks (re: 60% vs 100% qualified). This status serves to miss out of half the talent pool – women. It really is incumbent upon us, particularly in the male dominated technology sector, to address these issues and encourage/mentor women. That "just do it" mindset is critical.
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8/28/2016 | 4:46:25 PM
Re: Additional exacerbation
While I agree that the "just do it" mindset is important, it can also be especially aggravating if you are in your forties and trying to change careers.  I graduated from college a few years ago and am having a difficult time trying to get my foot in the door for anything IT related.  My background is electronics and quality but my work history has very little I can relate to the IT field.  There is still this expection to have to work from the ground up.  Most companies want you start as tech support then grow from there.

My point is that IT has grown so much from just fixing computers and keeps evolving into a specialized knowledge tracks but companies do not adjust as quickly as the job market.  I grow increasingly disillusioned because I do not have thousands to spend on speciallized training and software in order to prove that I can work with it or even stay current with different releases.  Entry level should be an on the job training position but I still struggle with being underqualified due to my lack of enterprise IT experience.

 
InReality01
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8/30/2016 | 9:57:01 AM
The phantom issue in security...
I have been in IT / IT Security / Forensics for over 20 years and there is certainly a lack of women in these fields but it isn't because of a purposeful intent to keep them out.......... the fact is, women don't go into technical fields at nearly the same rate as men do.

I have been on many interview panels and can count on one hand the amount of women that have applied for the jobs I was involved in hiring. 

I have seen plenty of minorities hired as well......... Asians and Indians are at the top of this list but still plenty of blacks as well.  In some areas there are way more minorities working in IT.  I'm guessing this isn't the "diversity" that some people are wanting and I'm not sure "some" people will ever be satisfied unti lthere is an exact same percentage of every possible type of person in the labor force....... which, of course, is absurd and will never happen.  Some jobs/careers are dominated by men, some by women, some by specific racial or ethnic groups, it's just a fact of life because everyone has different interests, talents, skills or raised in a specific environment whereby they are more prone to go into a specific line of work.  There is nothing wrong with any of this.

I have seen the most talented / skilled / experienced individual with the best communication skills get hired in almost every instance.  There are some exceptions when it comes to government hiring where I have seen bad candidates hired because of either unwritten quotas (diversity related) or because the individual hired was known or related to someone (or recommended by a politician).  Sure, this happens in private industry as well but not nearly to the extent as in government from what I have seen.

Typically the best qualified individual gets the job although there are exceptions as I pointed out.

The only way to get more minorities or women in these highly skilled IT / IR / Forensics positions is to have more highly qualified / skilled / talented minorities and women applying for the positions.

 

 

 
InReality01
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8/30/2016 | 10:00:35 AM
By the way...
There is nothing inheirently "good" about diversity in the workforce based on gender, race or ethnicity.

Diversity of thought that is expressed through a variety of skills, talents, visions and ideas are important.

 
Dr.T
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8/31/2016 | 11:51:33 AM
Lack of diversity
 

Not only women but there is real diversity problem not only in security but across the IT. High well paying positions are held white male. A few high tack companies run by other races simply because they 
Dr.T
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8/31/2016 | 11:53:53 AM
Re: Additional exacerbation
"... That men are generally/on average willing to apply for jobs if they meet only 60% of the stated "qualifications," whereas women are generally only willing to apply for jobs if they meet 100% of the stated "qualifications." ..."

This may be one reason why we do not get many female applicants

 
Dr.T
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8/31/2016 | 11:55:41 AM
Re: Additional exacerbation
"... Mindset is definitely an issue, ..."

That makes sense. We just need to educate our female students and make them aware of IT a little bit better I guess.
Dr.T
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8/31/2016 | 11:58:48 AM
Re: Additional exacerbation
"... It is my personal goal to spread STEM awareness in young kids, especially girls. ..."

This is great to hear. Thank you for doing it. I would assume female studens now realize that technology is not something they need to avoid but embrace, since everything and everting else involves it any more.
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