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Apple Pay Fraud Gives Us A New Reason To Hate Data Breaches And SSNs
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HAnatomi
HAnatomi,
User Rank: Apprentice
3/5/2015 | 1:19:45 AM
Convenience improved by bringing down security
Apple is also expected do something about the vulnerability that their Touch ID brings:  Biometrics operated with a password in the OR/disjunction way (as in the case of iPhone) offers a lower security than when only the password is used.

Threats that can be thwarted by biometric products operated together with fallback/backup passwords can be thwarted more securely by passwords only.

We could be certain that biometrics would help for better security only when it is operated together with another factor by AND/Conjunction (we need to go through both of the two), not when operated with another factor by OR/Disjunction (we need only to go through either one of the two) as in the cases of Touch ID and many other biometric products on the market that require a backup/fallback password, which only increase the convenience by bringing down the security.

 
Pablo Valerio
Pablo Valerio,
User Rank: Strategist
3/5/2015 | 6:20:36 AM
I don't get the US Banks' mentality
@Sara, are US banks really stupid, or their systems so archaic?

In Europe, for many years, we need several special second authentication systems such as one-time security codes, coordinate cards, Chip+PIN.

Just the fact that the new EMV cards in the US will be Chip+Signature doesn't make sense. Are US banks implying that Americans won't use their cards becuase they have to enter a PIN? As you know we have that system here in Europe for many years and very few people complain.

They had the opportunity, with Apple Pay, to have a robust, secure, mobile payment system, and they are committed to blow it.
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 4:27:54 PM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality

I was about to rant about Apple Pay until I read further, and it makes sense that the security shortcomings are due in large part to the banks' inability to understand and carry out security with these types of transactions.

I get the feeling many banks know they are in over there heads when it comes to these mobile payments, but since it was Apple they just couldn't admit it.

I did not realize SSN#'s were so ingrained into their authentication process, but as a result of breeches it is certainly time to rethink using this as a be all, end all. 

Those days are over.  Thanks big business.   What would we do without you ?

 

Probably still have our identities - But of course it is too late for that.

Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 4:32:27 PM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality
"....are US banks really stupid, or their systems so archaic?"

 

@Pablo   Both.   And you can add arrogant to that as well.   The World has become too complicated for Banks.  They must think whatever happen to the good old days ?  

When all they had to do is take your money.
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 4:46:10 PM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality

I don't understand the chip/signature rationale either.  Is a signature supposed to be more secure than a pin # ?   The Banks need some serious help, and I have a group of experts willing for a fee (of course).

Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 4:49:09 PM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality

"...As you know we have that system here in Europe for many years and very few people complain."

 

@Pablo    This is where that arrogance comes in that I mentioned earlier.  Go to Europe and see how others are doing it ?   No Way.   Europe is only for vacations and hiding assets.

Pablo Valerio
Pablo Valerio,
User Rank: Strategist
3/5/2015 | 5:09:06 PM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality
"This is where that arrogance comes in that I mentioned earlier.  Go to Europe and see how others are doing it ?   No Way.   Europe is only for vacations and hiding assets."

@Technocrati. at least they are taking EMV, which is an European standard, only 10 years after has implemented here, saving banks and customers billions of Euros of potential fraud.

 
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 5:44:11 PM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality
@Pablo       All I can say is "better late than never"...

A new American motto.
prospecttoreza
prospecttoreza,
User Rank: Strategist
3/6/2015 | 9:54:28 AM
Re: I don't get the US Banks' mentality
There could be two reason why we do not hear about data breaches in Europe - (a) they do not exist (b) European companies are not disclosing them. I am inclined to think that the latter is true.
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 4:41:52 PM
And Yet Another Reason To Hate Breeches .....

Recently read that Target is cutting thousands of jobs due in large part to their recent breech.     Same old story.  CEO keeps his or her job (not quite sure if they axed that pho CIO they had)  but as usual the focus is misplaced.

 

And as usual those who had nothing to do with it must pay for it.

Marilyn Cohodas
Marilyn Cohodas,
User Rank: Strategist
3/5/2015 | 4:46:39 PM
Re: And Yet Another Reason To Hate Breeches .....
@Technocrati  The Target CEO did loose his job as a result of the breach. He stepped down last May. 
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 4:50:55 PM
Re: And Yet Another Reason To Hate Breeches .....

@Marilyn     Ah Thank you !   So there is some justice, not much but some.

Marilyn Cohodas
Marilyn Cohodas,
User Rank: Strategist
3/5/2015 | 4:55:38 PM
Re: And Yet Another Reason To Hate Breeches .....
It was justice and also a watershed for the industry. A first for a CEO to get the axe as the result of a company data breach. Probably won't be the last....
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 5:32:13 PM
Re: And Yet Another Reason To Hate Breeches .....
"...The board is deeply grateful to Gregg for his significant contributions and outstanding service throughout his notable 35-year career with the company."

Let me see if I understand this statement by Target's board correctly.   He was at the helm when 40mil debit and credit cards were compromised and he is praised for his "significant contributions and outstanding service" ?

Does anyone else see the problem here ?    Maybe the board should ask the 40mil customers whose information was compromised if they think Mr. Gregg was outstanding or significant in any way.
Technocrati
Technocrati,
User Rank: Ninja
3/5/2015 | 5:39:55 PM
Re: And Yet Another Reason To Hate Breeches .....
@Marilyn        True.   And I have to give Mr.Gregg some credit - he did per your linked article at least take responsibility for it.

Granted his noble deed is alot easier carry out when you don't have to worry about where your next check is coming from.
Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli,
User Rank: Ninja
3/10/2015 | 2:29:25 AM
SSNs
An InfoSec blog I recently (though I can't remember which at the moment) put it best: SSNs were designed as usernames.  They are now being used to double as passwords.  From a security standpoint, that is absurd and unacceptable.


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