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Who Cares Whos Behind A Data Breach?
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ODA155
ODA155,
User Rank: Ninja
2/26/2015 | 9:38:53 AM
Re: is it just human nature?
@Sara...

"Still though: if they sue a third party for doing a lousy job of securing data, they might be able to make a civil case out of it and win cash. But attribution -- learning who the attackers are -- will only lead to a criminal case, won't it? And the breached company isn't going to make any cash off of that, will they?"

Seriously! Look at the Anthem, Sony and Target breaches... who are they going to sue? From what we do know everyone of them were at the very least borderline negligent, doing only the very minimum to meet requirments ignoring or flat out dismissing warnings and examples of how other companies were successfully attacked.

It's way to easy to blame an attacker for breacking into your network and stealing whatever is available, but it's much harder to hold your own feet to the fire... and keep the shareholders happy.
Sara Peters
Sara Peters,
User Rank: Author
2/26/2015 | 9:26:13 AM
Re: is it just human nature?
@Kerstyn  I suppose when a company's trying to get back some of the dough they dropped on the breach recovery process they would make suing somebody for damages a priority.

Still though: if they sue a third party for doing a lousy job of securing data, they might be able to make a civil case out of it and win cash. But attribution -- learning who the attackers are -- will only lead to a criminal case, won't it? And the breached company isn't going to make any cash off of that, will they?

I confess that I don't know much about this -- I try to stay out of court rooms.  :)
Kerstyn Clover
Kerstyn Clover,
User Rank: Moderator
2/25/2015 | 10:16:48 PM
Re: is it just human nature?
Sara, I didn't realize it but I somewhat addressed this in my last reply to a comment of yours! Litigation definitely comes up frequently and it's pretty understandable, especially since there is usually a tangible business impact (at least by the time I get called in.)
Kerstyn Clover
Kerstyn Clover,
User Rank: Moderator
2/25/2015 | 10:12:28 PM
Re: Motive
In the vast majority of my experiences, everyone wants to know who did it and on top of that, how they can press charges. Unfortunately part of my response duties can be to explain the difficulties in not just attribution, but prosecution. It is usually after things have settled and we've had that conversation that we'll sit down and go over areas that were identified to have failed, or where defenses can be beefed up.
ODA155
ODA155,
User Rank: Ninja
2/25/2015 | 6:05:33 PM
Re: is it just human nature?
Sara,

Personally, it's a little more refined than a simple "...immediate, desperate need to assess blame...". Sure there is enough of that going around, but I think identifying the responsible parties is important as well as holding them accontable, and if you can catch the bad guys...OK.  And by responsible parties I tend to focus on the internal people at all levels who should be held responsible for protecting and safeguarding this information. As someone said on another topic some time ago, these companies put too much faith in the outcome of a risk assessment then they purchase insurance to protect their company, but then as in the case of Anthem, I and probably more than one person reading this gets an email telling us "how seriously they take security and protecting... blah blah blah", and give me two years of credit monitoring.
Sara Peters
Sara Peters,
User Rank: Author
2/25/2015 | 10:36:46 AM
Re: Motive
@Kerstyn  In your experience, do breached companies mostly want to know which outside criminal group is to blame for the attack, or which employee/executive is to blame for the failure of the company's security?
Sara Peters
Sara Peters,
User Rank: Author
2/25/2015 | 10:31:41 AM
is it just human nature?
Ya know, I've often wondered if this immediate, desperate need to assess blame -- not just for data breaches, but for EVERYTHING -- was a basic human instinct or a particularly American trait. In this exceptionally litigious US society, we're always looking for someone to sue, so of course attribution is important so that you can decide who to drag into court.

But maybe everyone feels the same need to know whodunit? Just so that the mystery is solved? What do you guys think?
SDiver
SDiver,
User Rank: Strategist
2/24/2015 | 9:48:43 AM
Re: Rod Sirling was right.
"The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street."  Good episode.
ODA155
ODA155,
User Rank: Ninja
2/24/2015 | 9:34:08 AM
Re: who cares? sheriff, maybe
...and as Mr. Snowden has also showed us and left out of his AMA speach, there will always be someone behind the scenes with the means to circumvent those systems and standards for what ever purpose they choose to be right or wrong.
macker490
macker490,
User Rank: Ninja
2/24/2015 | 8:43:12 AM
who cares? sheriff, maybe
Mr: Snowden noted in his recent AMA:

"The only way to ensure the human rights of citizens around the world are being respected in the digital realm is to enforce them through systems and standards rather than policies and procedures."

remember: the sheriff only cleans up a mess after it has been made.   better to not get into a mess,-- whether driving a car or running a 'puter.   prevention is better than cleanup.  and yes: malware can be stopped -- if you're interested in stopping it.
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