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FBI Director Says 'Sloppy' North Korean Hackers Gave Themselves Away
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1/9/2015 | 3:33:38 PM
Re: So Now What ?
I'm not really too concerned with retaliation as North Korea is really not worth the effort. Sony and other US corporations as well as government institutions should learn some lessons and continue to harden their systems. And despite what the FBI says, there is still evidence that an ex-Sony employee did this and not NK.

In any case Obama did some retaliation which is fine. I would be more concerned about NK's attacks on civilians and shooting missiles over countries. They truly would be insane to launch any nuclear attack on anyone because they would be wiped out in 10 minutes. Plue they could supply terror organizations and rogue states with missile and other types of technology. So corporations have a significant responsibility to take care of their cyber systems.
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1/9/2015 | 3:26:34 PM
Re: Blaming the Victim
Assuming that North Korea did in fact do this, and there are reports that it was done by an ex-Sony employee, the subsequent attacks on NK's internet more than evened the score. In fact I would suggest that they did not even absorb a fraction of what we really could do to their systems. Let's face it, they don't have much of an internet and the country is basically functioning as it did in the seventeenth century.
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1/9/2015 | 3:22:56 PM
Re: Sony , B-Movies and $ 2 bins
There was a movie about 10 years ago that fantasized about assassinating George W. Bush. Of course in Hollywood that was OK because of our first Ammendment and all that. But can you imagine Hollywood putting out the same movie but substituting Bush with Obama? That will NEVER happen because of Hollywood's ideological bent.
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1/9/2015 | 3:21:22 PM
Re: Blaming the Victim
Agreed. Also, I can't belive America lost its first cybarwar! 
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1/9/2015 | 1:39:43 PM
Re: Sony , B-Movies and $ 2 bins
I tend to agree with @jeff, the really strange thing here was using the the real person. There has been plenty of movies where the "good guys" (us) went into North Korea on some operation and shot their way out. Even more movies where China and Russia are the bad guys, or least hosting the bad guys, and nothing came of it. The diference here was personalizing to that nutcase Kim. Had they abstracted it, doubtful any of this would have happened.

Too bad this movie wasn't out before Dennis Rodman went over there, he might already be gone. I'm sure the CIA is saying "Why didn't we think of that?".
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1/8/2015 | 5:51:00 PM
Re: Sony , B-Movies and $ 2 bins
I found no movies that advocated the assassination of a president by 'real' name.  The only hollywood movies that I found that suggested such violence against national leaders were those set in wars.  (or historical films)

('Team America' came closest)

If Sony Pictures released a similar movie that had the current leader of China or Russia, do you think there would not be repercussions?
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1/8/2015 | 3:08:23 PM
Blaming the Victim
There are real problems with blaming the victim. Escalating from words to coersion is not acceptable, and neither is blaming the victim as the strategy to ignore dealing with it.

Cyber or Cluster-bomb attack (the how) doesn't matter.
An Attack on US soil.
On US citizens.
To accomplish prior censorship.
In someone else's country.

What's next? Stick our heads in the sand? Theatre massacres? Power grid? Hospital operating rooms during surgery? Air Traffic Control? First responder systems? Ambulances? Police? Fire departments? That's the solution?

Just blame the victim and ignore it?

By this reasoning, it's OK to shoot people if they say something one doesn't like. Or like, maybe kill them in their workplace for a cartoon. Who can possible justify being on that side of this issue?

If history teaches us nothing, it's that ignoring bullies only encourages them and makes it worse the next time. And blaming the victim is a cop-out. Fix the problem, not the blame.
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1/8/2015 | 1:45:20 PM
Re: Sony , B-Movies and $ 2 bins
Interesting discussion. SPOILER ALERT: While there is merit to claim that the movie might be in bad taste, the movie does not depict the assassination of Kim. The duo of nimwits travel to Korea with that intention to assasinate but they don't even come close. Kim dies in a helicopter vs. tank battle with Kim in the helicopter and the nimwit duo in the tank with someone from the North Korean information ministry. I found the movie to be better than I would have anticipated and much less objectionable given that I expected the assassination of Kim to be depicted which does not happen, although his demise is depicted quite graphically.

I think having taxpayer money being spent to protect or avenge Sony's business decision is not something I like to see. I also don't see much alternative. If we expect freedom of speech to be protected, we have to protect it even if it is commercial and idiotic. Just because they use cyber as a weapon should not make them immune when attacking US citizens or companies. Granted Sony is a Japanese corporation but Sony Pictures is operated primarily in the US. If North Korea destroyed a Sony studio with a bomb we would expect the government to do something about that even if no one is killed.
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1/8/2015 | 10:29:27 AM
Re: So Now What ?
Ok now that we have confirmed it was N. Korea - Now what ?   I have heard sanctions ...etc.   What real  difference is that going to make ?   Were we not doing business with them already ?  


@technocrati- I think the answer is nothing. I think the real goal here is to just say, "we know you did it. We know how. And we're better at this than you so back off."

Despite all the posturing, North Korea has continued to make small gestures of reopening diplomatic relations with South Korea. There's no reason to let this get in the way of that. 
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1/8/2015 | 10:26:55 AM
Re: Sony , B-Movies and $ 2 bins
I don't think any national government would be happy with a production about murdering their current sitting leader.  It is not funny.  Not a good joke at all.  It would not be surprising if the agrieved country would take the production to be aggressive propaganda. 


@wolf6305- I don't know. America seems to make at least one movie and sometimes several per year where we kill (or threaten to kill) our own President. Hollywood is a mashup of people form all over the world so some of those are actually made by and in other countries and released here. 

If an artist in North Korea specifically made a movie depicting out President being killed, I personally would not feel threatened, If the North Korean government made one, that would be an insult. 

I think the real issue is that media is so tightly controlled there that they don't want to believe (though they are capable of it) the difference between art and propoganda. 

I mean, really, if they wanted to understand, they'd have gone after Franco and Rogen, not Sony.
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