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Microsoft Fixes Critical SChannel & OLE Bugs, But No Patches For XP
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Bprince
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11/13/2014 | 3:31:01 AM
XP
This seems like a case to me where they should definitely patch XP. They know plenty of people still use it and it's effective. That something to me that should be done.
Dr.T
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11/13/2014 | 8:56:56 AM
Re: XP
I agree. People would not care whether there is support or not, when hacked it will Microsoft who would be blamed.
DDURBIN1
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DDURBIN1,
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11/17/2014 | 10:20:09 AM
Re: XP
30% of the world's computers still use XP.  Since there is 19 year old code in both Win7 and Win8, I'm still having a hard time understanding Microsofts abandonment of its XP customers.  XP customers are more likely to abandon Microsoft as a return favor.  Can you say Android?
ODA155
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11/19/2014 | 10:07:57 PM
Re: XP
@DDURBIN1,... I don't understand why people just can't move on to newer technology. MS made this decision a long time ago but kept putting it off because of customer outcry... should MS provide patches and support for all of its "unsupported" products...? How long should a warranty last last on a car that you bought in 1992, because you like it and want to keep it, should the automaker be forced to keep updating it because you like it,come on people, should MS support Windows 2000 or NT4.0?

You want to know why 30% of the worlds computers are still running on Windows XP... it's because somebody, for whatever the reason(s) were made a decision not to upgrade, not because of anything MS did because if that were the case that 30% would be lower since support ended on May 1st, and as an information security professional I have no sympathy for anyone or company still using it... even the company I work for.
DDURBIN1
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11/20/2014 | 9:19:32 AM
Re: XP
@ODA155, name ANY company that survives after rejecting 30% of its customers.  Can you image let say McDonald's, AT&T or FORD rejecting 30% of the customers that come in their stores?  This is what Microsoft is doing; turning their back on "loyal" customers.  It is not the best business practice.  This is a customer decision (for whatever the reasons might be) not a vendor one.  Showing no good will toward continued XP customers leaves a poor taste particularly when 90% of the code in Windows 7 is actually XP code.

 
ODA155
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11/20/2014 | 9:39:46 AM
Re: XP
@DDURBIN1, is this an aurgument for information security or are you just nostalgic for XP, because this has nothing to do with the "survival" of any company, but rather companies, IT Departments and private customers unwilling to upgrade to a supported operating system, and you don't have to, it's not required, but do not expect a vendor to keep a product alive if they want to produce something newer. Read this article, if you're willing to pay for it you could probably get them to enclude you in this program to keep XP going... but then you can also keep using it unsupported and hope for the best, it's your choice. In your opinion, how long should MS carry XP, 5 more years, 10, 25? Let me ask you this, how old is your cell phone, do you upgrade every two years or less? I know people who complain about no support for Windows XP but everytime a new Android or iPhone is released they get one, why, I don't know, don't care but it just makes me laugh when I compare the two actions, they make no sense.

Speaking of Ford, have you ever driven an original 5.0 Mustang, a Torino or a Toyota Supra or what about the old big bodied Cadi's... they're all gone, for what their makers thought\hoped would be better products. Things change

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2139929/windows-xp-support-will-be-available-after-april-8-just-not-for-you.html

 
DDURBIN1
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11/20/2014 | 9:50:54 AM
Re: XP
If I owned a 2006 Ford Mustang (you could buy XP new in 2006)) and took it to a Ford dealer for repair do you think Ford would turn me away or do you think they would try and help a loyal customer out?  And if they refused to work on my 2006 (even though I'm willing to pay) then demand I buy a new Mustand from them do you think I would only look at Fords?
ODA155
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11/20/2014 | 10:00:24 AM
Re: XP
Did they fix it for free?
Technocrati
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11/28/2014 | 6:43:53 PM
Re: XP

@DDURBIN1     I love the analogy !   I couldn't agree more.

BlackWingCat
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12/5/2014 | 1:23:53 AM
Re: XP
Therefore, I created MS14-064/066/067/068/070/072 patches for Windows 2000 myself in last month. :)

 It should be easy that created it from other version patches , because someone can create the malware from vulnerability within severaldays.

 
li'l ciso
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11/13/2014 | 5:39:24 AM
Windows for Workgroups
This seems like a case to me where they should definitely patch WFW. They know plenty of people still use it and it's effective. That something to me that should be done.
Dr.T
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11/13/2014 | 8:59:53 AM
Re: Windows for Workgroups
Not only that but all other systems they have. This is about SSL/TLS, we use them to secure the environment, you do not expect vulnerabilities related to those protocols.
Technocrati
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11/13/2014 | 8:48:37 PM
Re: Windows for Workgroups

"...Not only that but all other systems they have. This is about SSL/TLS, we use them to secure the environment, you do not expect vulnerabilities related to those protocols."

 

@Dr.T       Exactly.  Like having a knife that doesn't cut.  A major shortcomming, and Linux junkies are laughing with glee.

Dr.T
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11/13/2014 | 8:55:10 AM
The same code base?
Interestingly enough This shoes Microsoft is using the same code base, at least part of it. You would think they would be improving coding strategies and utilizing more secure frameworks to make over all system more secure. 19 years old code is really old.
Technocrati
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11/13/2014 | 8:55:09 PM
Re: The same code base?
"...You would think they would be improving coding strategies and utilizing more secure frameworks to make over all system more secure. 19 years old code is really old."

 

@Dr. T    I agree.  But haven't you heard the argument/(excuse) that they have millions of lines of code to review ?    And I can just imagine, Ballmer and Gates , but especially Ballmer say, " Screw it, Innovate.  Patch over it - we'll fix it as it shows it's ugly head as we move forward."    

I would have done the same thing to be honest, but I am not the head of MS either.  : ) 

Marilyn Cohodas
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11/16/2014 | 2:04:50 PM
Re: The same code base?
@Technocrati,Ballmer and Gates aren't running Microsoft either anymore, but hopefully Satya Nadella is paying closer attention. 

 

Technocrati
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11/17/2014 | 12:05:13 AM
Re: The same code base?

" Ballmer and Gates aren't running Microsoft either anymore....."

 

@Marilyn Cohodas     True.  Wait are you sure ?  Regardless I am not finished with either of them.  They were running MS when the bug first surfaced and apparently the bug outlasted both of them.  

But your point is well taken - Let's hope Mr. Nadella truly pays attention to detail and more importantly execution.

Marilyn Cohodas
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11/17/2014 | 10:21:00 AM
Re: The same code base?
You can definitely hold Ballmer and Gates responsbile for a lot of things related to MS products. But it's definitely in Nadella's court now...Here's the announcement last February.
Technocrati
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11/17/2014 | 1:44:12 PM
Re: The same code base?

@Marilyn Cohodas   Thanks for the link - I didn't know Mr. Nedella came from Sun ?     Seems as though everyone from the early days of Sun have done well afterward.   I do wish him good luck though, managing the likes of MS will be no easy task.

Robert McDougal
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11/17/2014 | 1:17:46 PM
Re: The same code base?
@Technocrati   If I was in the shoes of Gates and Ballmer I would probably have decided to code on top of what was already there.  However, that was then, in the security environment of today I think I would have made a different decision.  Today, the cost of a security flaw to the business and the brand name is much more than it was even 5 years ago.  It probably makes more economical sense to re-code from the ground up now.
Technocrati
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11/17/2014 | 1:40:18 PM
Re: The same code base?

@Robert McDougal  -    Good point.   The computing world was much different then and I agree those methods of yore would not pass the mustard now. 

Technocrati
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11/13/2014 | 8:44:55 PM
What Do Math Problems and Bugs have in Common ?
They eventually get solved.

 

@Sara     After reading your excellent piece, it occurred to me that this might be the reason I had to reboot my seldom used PC the other day  ( about 5x )  for updates ?  I am used to it needing some updates when I finally choose to use it but this time it was particularly "mood draining".

I would probably still be reboot if I had not checked Updates manually to see what all the fuss was about - apparently MS was just downloading my "fixes" and I had not configured it to install.  Typically MS - send me an update that is required  and I have to tell the OS to install it ?   

My  opinion on the 19-yr old bug fix ?     Kudos to MS.  Like a math problem they finally figured out - now on to the next one. 



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