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6 Biometric Factors That Are Working Today
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Sara Peters
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Sara Peters,
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8/12/2014 | 3:53:37 PM
correct me if I'm wrong
Cool stuff, Marilyn. I just wanted to verify: in order for palm vein scanners to work, the blood needs to be flowing, right? Therefore an attacker wouldn't be able to authenticate if they chopped off the legitimate user's hand. Right? 
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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8/12/2014 | 3:57:59 PM
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You've stumped me on that one Sara! (pun intended)... I'm #scratchingmyhead tryng to envision the scenario you've just described. Interesting plot for a horror flick though!
Sara Peters
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Sara Peters,
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8/12/2014 | 4:05:35 PM
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Check it out: http://www.biometricnewsportal.com/palm_biometrics.asp "In addition, the sensor of the palm vein device can only recognize the pattern if the deoxidized hemoglobin is actively flowing within the individual's veins." In other words, the blood's got to be flowing.

And Marilyn this whole chopping fingers off to use fingerprint scanners isn't just my own gruesome brainchild. It happened in Malaysia years ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4396831.stm

Luckily, some fingerprint scanners -- like the one on the new iphone -- only work if the finger is attached to a live body, because they detect the electricity emitted by a person's living body. http://www.webpronews.com/no-you-cant-use-a-disembodied-finger-to-get-past-the-iphone-5s-fingerprint-scanner-2013-09
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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8/12/2014 | 4:08:29 PM
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Truth is indeed stranger than fiction! thx for the gory details. 
Sara Peters
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Sara Peters,
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8/12/2014 | 4:10:36 PM
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If I ever have a car that requires a palm vein scanner, I'll make sure I have the appropriate literature to hand to thieves when they think about taking my hand with them, and leaving me behind.
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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8/12/2014 | 4:12:20 PM
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good plan. Just print out this blog and message thread and put it in your wallet near your driver's license and credit cards. 
GonzSTL
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GonzSTL,
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8/12/2014 | 4:21:54 PM
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The ultimate solution - unique DNA identification. Think Gattaca.
Kelly Jackson Higgins
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Kelly Jackson Higgins,
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8/12/2014 | 5:24:19 PM
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I'm waiting for that eyeball scanner. So done with passwords.
Dr.T
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8/12/2014 | 6:14:32 PM
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DNA is not a bad idea that can identify the individual uniquely. The main problem for those types of solutions is the fact that we do not want to be identified uniquely for a simple reason such as logining a system.
Robert McDougal
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Robert McDougal,
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8/16/2014 | 10:16:55 AM
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If we use DNA, what about twins?
Robert McDougal
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Robert McDougal,
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8/16/2014 | 10:15:37 AM
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Call me Mr. Sci-Fi but I would like to see authentication based on a persons unique electrical field.  Walk up to a device it detects the faint electrical field surrounding you and grants you access.
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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8/18/2014 | 7:33:44 AM
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Isn't that how Cardiac Rhythm works? That sounds like a pretty cool and promising biometric, although it sounds like it would require a wearable bracelet of some sort, which some people might find intrustive. (sigh)  No perfect solution. But we can't let perfect be the enemy of good!
Robert McDougal
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Robert McDougal,
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8/18/2014 | 8:10:49 AM
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CardicRythm is pretty close, but you are right it requires that "intrusive" wearable bracelet.  I am hoping for sensors so sensitive they can detect the minute electrical fields surrounding us all.

Yeah, I am a big nerd.....
Dr.T
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8/12/2014 | 6:18:09 PM
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I would think fingerprint scanners have vulnerabilities, it would not be difficult to replicate it and simulate the electricity of live body.
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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8/14/2014 | 11:33:02 AM
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No security is fool proof, but I'm guessing it would be easier to guess (or hack) a password  a password than replicate a fingerprint. 
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8/15/2014 | 12:46:06 PM
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For a short time period cars sold in Japan had fingerprint scanners in place of the door locks.  That technology rapidly went back to keys when thugs started cutting off fingers to steal the cars.

Show me a biometric scanner, such as one based on the eye, that will authenticate you after you've been hit in the face by an airbag in a car accident.  Airbags are *not* big fluffy pillows when you are going 50+ MPH.  How happy will you be that you can't call your family for help because your phone things they injured you, is not you?

 

 

 
bpaddock
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bpaddock,
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8/15/2014 | 12:46:16 PM
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For a short time period cars sold in Japan had fingerprint scanners in place of the door locks.  That technology rapidly went back to keys when thugs started cutting off fingers to steal the cars.

Show me a biometric scanner, such as one based on the eye, that will authenticate you after you've been hit in the face by an airbag in a car accident.  Airbags are *not* big fluffy pillows when you are going 50+ MPH.  How happy will you be that you can't call your family for help because your phone things they injured you, is not you?

 

 

 
Robert McDougal
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Robert McDougal,
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8/16/2014 | 10:20:02 AM
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Call me paranoid, but I don't like fingerprint authentication.  It could be because of all of those James Bond movies but I see my fingerprint as a liability.

Let's say that someone wants to authenticate as me.  They follow me to starbucks where I proceed to buy an Venti White Mocha =), which I consume in the store.  I throw my empty container in the trash and leave.  The attacke walks over to the trash pulls out my empty container and now they have my fingerprint.
MarilynCoh
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8/16/2014 | 1:02:54 PM
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Ok. I concede that there is a lot of skepticism about fingerprints -- legitimate or not. But what about some of the other types? Eye, Palm, behavioral? Does any one agree with me that some type of biometric is preferable to passwords?
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8/27/2014 | 12:14:47 AM
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I still believe in the good old fashion password, but I would like to see retina scanners used. Not like Minority Report exactly, but I think as an authentication measure I find it fascinating. 

BP
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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8/27/2014 | 7:09:31 AM
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It could be a combo of the "good old fashioned" password with a biometric for a while. But I still believe the future is with biometrics... especially as these factors become more common and accepted. 
Kelly Jackson Higgins
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Kelly Jackson Higgins,
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8/12/2014 | 5:41:04 PM
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I'm going to have nightmares about that one. =)
Dr.T
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8/12/2014 | 6:10:44 PM
Username / password old school
Thank you for sharing this article. Very informative. Username / password for credentialing will become old school very soon. We are already using picture password and two factor authentication more and more in critical systems. I am looking for those days that we can make authentication more easier for end users.


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