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Dan Geer Touts Liability Policies For Software Vulnerabilities
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Sara Peters
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8/12/2014 | 11:27:51 AM
Re: Secure coding
@Dr. T.  Thanks! Question for you. Do you think insecure applications are just due to a lack of time and budget? Or can we also blame a lack of training in secure coding or a lack of commitment from the people at the top of the organization?
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aws0513,
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8/11/2014 | 11:21:57 AM
The timing of this talking point could not be more... perfect?
On Thursday, Roger Capriotti posted in the IE blog that Microsoft support policy for Internet Explorer will change.

Link: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2014/08/07/stay-up-to-date-with-internet-explorer.aspx

Looks like Microsoft is reading the same tea leaves.  The question is if they will have the willpower to fight off pressure to provide security support for older IE versions.
macker490
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8/9/2014 | 8:14:52 AM
Re: good topic
your first reply hit the nail on the head,,,,, "no one has enough time.... no one has the budget for.... security"

or for zero defects

for zero defects you have to conduct all-branch testing rather than regression testing.    this means: if you have time to write an instruction you must make time to insure that it executes properly

it's a cost issue though-- as Schneier noted -- as long as there is no liability software builders will find no business reasons to attend to security.    the consequence is pervasive hacking. at some point from a business standpoint controllers will take the stance that insecure software is unacceptable.   this may only occur when there are viable alternatives.   without product liability law to change the cost balances the tipping point is only found when it costs more to use software than to not use it.   1401 anyone?
Dr.T
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8/7/2014 | 9:34:52 PM
Re: good topic
I agree in general, although there is no such things zero-defects or error-free based on my experience. No testing process catches everything they are supposed to catch.
Dr.T
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8/7/2014 | 9:31:21 PM
Secure coding
Good article, thanks for sharing it. Nobody generally writes applications to be not secure on purpose, it is just not having enough time to go proper vulnerability test or they do not have enough budget to cover security measures.
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macker490,
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8/7/2014 | 8:43:01 AM
good topic
Bruce Schneier has commented on this as well, noting that softare builders will continue to gloss over security until it costs less to make the software secure than it does to minimalize or skip work on security

Phil Zimmerman noted in his original work on PGP that where the operating software is compromised there can be no meaningful discussion of PGP -- (or any other app based security either)

liability has to apply to those who have control,-- each of us needs to look after the security in the code we control....

this has to start in the os.    the os must be made such that it cannot be updated with un-authorized code and this has to be the responsibility of the os oem

applications then do the same but with the additional note that a zero-defects process has to be applied to incorporated software libraries.   If I use a software library I am responsible for having checked the MD5, SHA-1, SHA-256, or PGP signature on the distribution before I install or use it.

remember: zero defects is something you DO -- not something you get.   before i ship my code I will have to sign it, certifying that (a) I have checked the signature on incorporated libraries and (b) that I have not inclued anything maliscious in my code.   and I take responsibility for the above.

audit processes -- SAP possibly -- could help me check my work.


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