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A Roadmap for CIOs & CSOs After the Year of the Mega Breach
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Marilyn Cohodas
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6/16/2014 | 3:29:44 PM
Engage the C-suite
Sheila -- I suspect at Symantic, as CIO, you have the full attention of your C-suite. But what strategies do you recommend for CIOs and CSOs at companies that aren't so tuned in to the problems and challenges of security? How do you get through to an executive management team that views InfoSec as a cost, not a benefit. 
SheilaJordan
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6/16/2014 | 5:34:53 PM
Re: Engage the C-suite
Marilyn

Great question and one that is important for all of us. In order for the execs to see Security and Infosec as a benefit and not a cost, we have to start delivering benefits to the organization and then communicating them in a way that is meaningful. I love the way we think of security now in five steps: Identify, Protect, Detect, Respond, Recover.  I love the fact we can now explain what we are doing to add value at each stage. The ultimate, of course, is when we can Protect, Detect and Respond without the business being seriously impacted.

Sheila
Marilyn Cohodas
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Marilyn Cohodas,
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6/17/2014 | 11:23:55 AM
Re: Engage the C-suite
Thanks, Sheila. How exactly do you commnicate the steps you are taking and the progress (or lack of progress) you are making? Regular meetings, presentations, status reports. And do you have specific metrics that you look at to measure results.

I'm also wondering how much two-way communication there is from the CSO/CIO upward to the corner offices and in the opposite direction -- from top management to the folks who are taking care of business in the SOC.

 
securityaffairs
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6/17/2014 | 7:44:47 AM
Re: Engage the C-suite
The real problem today is that security is still perceived as an additional cost to reduce or eliminate. The economic crisis and the globalizations have exaggerated this aspect.

On the other side, we have a that the cyber threat is increasing in complexity, cybercrime is even more profitable and has low risks for criminals.

As a result the number of data breaches is increasing, and it will continue to do it. The overall losses will continue to increase and new technologies like IoT with be source of further problems if we don't start to think to security by design.

We need a change of mentality and CIOs are responsible for this.
ecowper
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6/17/2014 | 7:22:28 PM
Re: Engage the C-suite
Marilyn,

Not Sheila, but I am a long time security leader and executive. I would highly recommend that your first step in "engaging the c-suite" is to make certain that you understand your business, how it makes money, what the corporate strategies are, and what the key drivers for the critical executives are. Gather all sorts of intelligence on them. It's crucial when you show up to engage them, that you be able to do so rapidly. Over the years I have always found that I needed to engage these folks very rapidly and that I couldn't so if I didn't know what motivated and drove them. 

Next, put together a very crisp, clear and compelling message about the risk to the company's ability to make money, execute on strategy or meet the important objectives of senior executives. Security is not important in and of itself, but rather in how it either enables or disables the abiltiy of the organization to execute. 

Finally, find a champion who can help you to gain the attention of senior leaders. It might be the CIO, or General Counsel, Audit, or perhaps you have some kind of a relationship opportunity with one of those executives. Now, you need to spend time with your sponsor and work through the compelling message and the understanding of what's important to your company. If your sponsor finds your position critical, they will help you to engage the senior execs. 

Hope this helps
GonzSTL
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6/18/2014 | 12:19:58 PM
Re: Engage the C-suite
@ecowper Excellent post. Sounds like the voice of experience.
ecowper
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ecowper,
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6/18/2014 | 1:18:17 PM
Re: Engage the C-suite
Thanks GonzSTL .... I was the CSO/CISO of Providence Health & Services for 7 years. A lot of painfully learned lessons. Hopefully I can share some of them. 
RetiredUser
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6/16/2014 | 3:41:31 PM
The Hacker CIO/CSO
Over the past 15+ years, I've noted that CIO/CSO candidates for companies I've worked at were not "hackers" (traditional sense) - in fact, they had less cyber criminal instincts about them and more the ladder climber in them.  I'd argue that, similar to a development management/director role, what we need more of are CIO/CSO candidates with killer instincts, who not only are hackers in their own right, but have no problem switching the gear from a tech hacker to cyber criminal mindset to keep steps, if not leaps, ahead of the enemy.

When an average engineer at your company can poke a hundred holes in the security architecture within 15 minutes of their first day, you've opened the door for finding a new CIO/CSO.  The alternative is to train these candidates, or those who already hold the position, but from my perspective, data integrity is too precious to trust to a ladder climber, a salary-chaser, or even a mid-range tech manager with good intentions, but who can't make the leap from having academic security knowledge (often dated) to being able to pop open their personal GNU/Linux intrusion system and take on cyber criminals at their own game, using current knowledge and techniques.

Management in tech, at least from a development and security perspective, needs to change.  DevOps attitudes and multi-specialty engineers/managers are the new norm.

 
ecowper
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6/18/2014 | 1:16:41 PM
Re: The Hacker CIO/CSO
Christian,

the core problem is that a CISO must be able to effectively communicate with, and motivate, the senior business leadership of their company. The number of people who are both technically savvy, good hackers and effective senior leaders is incredibly small. The number of companies that need one of those people is incredibly large. 
GonzSTL
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6/18/2014 | 1:40:11 PM
Re: The Hacker CIO/CSO
@ecopower Your post hit the nail right on the head. I teach IT Sec, and that is a point I drive home to all my students. I stress that in addition to accumulating technical knowledge and skills, they must also learn the business side of their organization. Right or wrong, the line I usually deliver is "you can teach IT the language of business easier than you can teach business the language of IT". I know it isn't that simple, but a huge number of my students get that concept and I see the difference it makes in their class work. Where their submissions used to be heavily and almost purely technical, they now incorporate summaries that are fit for executive consumption.

Out of curiosity, while you were the CSO/CISO at Providence, did you report to the CIO or were you on equal terms? Personally, I think that a monolithic reporting structure for both IT and Security presents a huge conflict of interest. In the event of an impasse where compromises cannot be reached, the tiebreaker shoud be someone outside of both disciplines; someone who is responsible for the organization itself. However, that is a difficult message to deliver, especially when the CIO is heavily entrenched in the organization. The fear of losing or diminishing control strikes fear into the hearts of individuals who are pressured to deliver technology to help drive the business goals.
RetiredUser
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6/18/2014 | 1:40:30 PM
Re: The Hacker CIO/CSO
@ ecowper

You're right of course, but I still feel that in fact, there are more capable hackers out there than you may suspect that can fill the role.  I'd argue that the explosion of Internet start-ups, Silicon Valley/Silicon Beach success stories and droves of young software engineers that are filling the software space are in fact offering more and more opportunities for knowledgeable, talented and hacker-capable leaders.  I'll admit – I'm a t-shirt wearing, sandal sporting techie, often found in my pajamas at 2AM working at home.  But I can put on a suit and speak to complex issues when needed and easily convey needs to C-Levels.  And I work with lots of young hackers that can do the same.  The talent pool is there, is just a matter of removing some filters from the search.  

I've often seen the CIO/C(I)SO relationship as really the CISO being the technically savvy champion for security who can both manage and implement, yet still speak to an audience of C-Levels, and the CIO as being the non-necessarily hacker-minded tech, but still being a technically savvy engineer with the ability to go to bat with management.  My focus in my comment really should have been on the CISO, but the idealist in me hopes for the same from the CIO/CTO.

As an alternative, if we can get more companies together that are affordable and focus on cybersecurity as a service, many of the companies that are at risk can still get what they need through the service (and I don't mean just software, but a full security organization plugged into the company with roaming leaders).

Regardless, yes, I see the big picture and the issue as it stands, but believe the solution requires a little more evolving on the part of upper management and the industry in general.  While we all want to be economincally successful, sometimes selling the leaders on money is the only part of the picture.  You also have to make it personal, and remind them that InfoSec is about real criminals that need to be shut down, and often it requires a specific talent set to accomplish that.
Sara Peters
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6/16/2014 | 4:24:54 PM
Scapegoats
Great stuff, Sheila. I'm still not sure I know the answer to this question though: "Is "scapegoat" now a part of IT's job description?"  ]

Let's say that CIOs, CSOs, and CISOs do a great job communicating with the rest of the C-suite. They've convinced those other execs to let them secure the organization as they see fit. 

But then, there's a breach event anyway. Is the company going to support the IT/IS people they've built such a good relationship, or are they going to point the finger and show them the door?
Ed Moyle
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6/17/2014 | 9:00:51 AM
Sympathetic practitioner, frustrated consumer
As a securtiy practitioner, I can heartily relate to the issues that face enterprise security teams and I get it why these breaches keep happening.  

However, as a customer who's information has been comprimised time and again (leading to multiple incidences of identity theft against me), I'm extremely frustrated with the state of security in enterprise.  When it comes to personal data about me, it seems like if you can name it, somebody's lost it: financial data, health records, passwords, sensitive personal information, etc.  

I'm frustrated by this.  Firms continue to fail to take basic "blocking and tackling" security measures until they get burned. Until someone -- consumers or regulators -- start to hold organizations accountable for this, I'm not sure there's an economic incentive for organizations to care.  In fact, right now the situation arguably favors poor security: since there's no correlation between company valuation and breaches (there isn't, see acquisti - http://www.heinz.cmu.edu/~acquisti/papers/acquisti-friedman-telang-privacy-breaches.pdf), by avoiding the cost of implementing basic security measures, the economic impact of that is almost entirely absorbed by customers.  

Maybe that's cynical, but it seems to me it'll get worse before it gets better.
Kelly Jackson Higgins
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6/17/2014 | 11:43:39 AM
pushback
What happens if the C-suite isn't receptive, though? I'm sure that's not an issue at Symantec, but some less tech-savvy firms may have more challenges here, I would think.
GonzSTL
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6/18/2014 | 9:39:19 AM
Re: pushback
That is a situation often seen in organizations, and here are two main obstacles that cause this predicament. First is the inability of the CIO or CISO to effectively communicate the benefits of comprehensive IT security to their colleagues. Either they are technologists who have risen into management and do not possess the proper communication skills to present their case convincingly and from a business perspective, or non-technologists who have the communication skills, but do not completely understand the technical aspects and how they relate to the business goals of the organization. Additionally, that lack of expertise prevents them from seeing things from a hacker's perspective, leading to an inaccurate description of the threat landscape. Secondly, it could be that the C-suite received the appropriate communications but decided that the cost is too great, and the risk of potential loss based on the probability of a compromise is acceptable. Obviously there is room for improvement in both scenarios. I realize that this is quite simplistic a view, but I do not believe it is too far from the target.
SheilaJordan
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6/18/2014 | 7:06:05 PM
Re: pushback
You have to find ways to garner support through use cases, pilots and examples. I would also suggest find People in the organization that see the need, understand the criticality of these examples. The people  may include:  privacy officer, marketing, IT leaders to become sponsors and help move this forward.  Look for influencers across the organization.


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