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Dark Reading Radio: The Real Reason Security Jobs Remain Vacant
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fabipefi
fabipefi,
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7/28/2014 | 2:51:31 PM
Re: Certifications vs Experience
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Robert McDougal
Robert McDougal,
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5/28/2014 | 5:29:35 PM
Re: Certifications vs Experience
What I have experienced is that the individuals who have the large laundry list of certifications generally view certs as the finish line.  Some of the most talented security professionals I know do not have a single cert.  The difference is in passion for security of the quest for money.
Paladium
Paladium,
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5/28/2014 | 7:58:27 AM
Certifications vs Experience
Wanted to add to the discussion.  I have seen my share of over certified security professionals that do not have the necessary hands on experience to support their wealth of certifications.  This can be a trap for an organization who 1) do not understand what the problem is they are trying to address in the vacancy, 2) large quantities of certifications give the impression of "knowledge", often over riding candidates who have extensive hands on practical experience in the field.  Certifications do not mean that the individual can fill the role effectively, or bring the necessary wisdom of cause and effect analysis (especially in IR events).

As a rule of thumb I look for three years of direct hands on experience PER security certification.  If they have a CEH then I want to see three years of CEH hands on experience.  If its a management role then I want to see five years of direct management experience to support that CISM certification. Certifications should be a capstone achievement that *supports* a security professionals accomplishments within the cyber security space.  It must never be a replacement for.  

I personally think there is a certification mill out there that is making a lot of money for educational firms, but producing very little actual hands on experienced candidates to pull from.  Great for the education business, not so good for those of us on the front line.
RetiredUser
RetiredUser,
 User Rank: Ninja
5/27/2014 | 8:56:34 PM
Moderate Fear?
I'd be interested to know how many companies are short on security staff not due to salary but due to a moderate to high fear that hiring talented security professionals opens them up to a potential breach.  Whether the fear is founded or not, I've seen it at work (my perception, not putting words in mouths), and good assets who were rough around the edges were passed over for cleaner but less talented hackers.  Trust is huge, especially when the talent you're looking at might have a criminal record, but it's part of the hiring dance and sometimes a bigger deal breaker than salary.
Kelly Jackson Higgins
Kelly Jackson Higgins,
 User Rank: Strategist
5/27/2014 | 4:10:01 PM
important topic
This should be a very enlightening and relevant discussion. Can't wait to tune in!


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