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'The New Normal': US Charges Chinese Military Officers With Cyber Espionage
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Kelly Jackson Higgins
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Kelly Jackson Higgins,
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5/20/2014 | 8:30:09 AM
Re: 'Yes, but we do it for freedom...'
I have a hard time believing the NSA is a tyrannical agency. An agency that oversteps at times? Yes. Are there some bad individuals in the agency? Likely. But it should come as no surprise after the "We failed to connect the dots" for 9/11 conclusion would not ultimately swing the pendulum to the extreme in its mission to help prevent another terrorist attack.
macker490
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macker490,
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5/20/2014 | 7:52:33 AM
Re: 'Yes, but we do it for freedom...'
@kelly

= "NSA's purpose is national defense."

their purported purpose... is looking for "terrorists" .   do you believe that?   or are they really looking for *dissidents* -- just like every ordinary tyrant.
securityaffairs
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securityaffairs,
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5/20/2014 | 7:34:43 AM
Re: 'Yes, but we do it for freedom...'
As I declared this morning to the Reuters I'm not surprised at the latest turn of events, this is just the "tip of the iceberg".

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/20/us-cybercrime-usa-china-unit-idUSBREA4J08M20140520

http://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/25070/cyber-crime/pla-officials-accused-hacking.html

"I believe there's an ongoing battle in the cyberspace. These countries are investing large amounts in cyber units that are able to create specific malware and have the ability to get into foreign networks and computers to steal trade secrets and intellectual properties," he said.

As Charlie highlighted almost every US allies is sure that also NSA was spying on them also for marketing competition. 

Why spy on German Industries? Why spy on allies?

Anyway cyber espionage is common practice, I believe that first of all we must be concerned of militarization of Internet, other bad actors could benefit of this situation like cyber criminals and cyber terrorists.

Regards

Pierluigi

 

 
Kelly Jackson Higgins
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Kelly Jackson Higgins,
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5/20/2014 | 6:17:22 AM
Re: 'Yes, but we do it for freedom...'
The big difference here between NSA's spying and China's cyber espionage spying strategy is that China's is all about market competition, while NSA's purpose is national defense. While I agree the Snowden leaks show NSA overreach in some of its operations, the goals/mission are/were not the same as China's here. As George Kurtz said, the NSA isn't stealing aircraft plans from Airbus and giving them to Boeing. 
Charlie Babcock
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Charlie Babcock,
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5/19/2014 | 10:15:35 PM
'Yes, but we do it for freedom...'
This case is not exactly going to be "the shot heard 'round the world," whatever the its merits. Most of our allies suspect we have conducted business spying on them. They won't believe for a second that we haven't already done to the Chinese what we accuse them of doing to us. The former director of the CIA explained, "Yes, but we did it for freedom...." In the court of public opinion, that's a conflicted argument.


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