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How A Little Obscurity Can Bolster Security
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samenk
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4/17/2014 | 7:39:10 PM
Re: slows down an attack -- so it helps
Great article here, Corey! Security by obscurity should only be used as a method to delay and/or discourage the attackers from compromising our security; nothing more. "Security by Obscurity is no security at all." I agree, however, I do think offers some level of security and should be utilized, but should never be fully relied upon. In most cases, security engineers would utilize obscure measures as first layer(s) of security; if the attacker does uncover the inconspicuous security measure, he is sure to meet a tougher one, such as encryption, or authentication.
mwalker871
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mwalker871,
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4/17/2014 | 3:18:48 PM
Re: Security v. Obscurity
Sure, don't give anything away.
Don't pick names easy to guess or commonly used. Passwords are just the final threshold.

However, if your domain can be enumerated, the ship has sailed.

Which is more important?
CNACHREINER981
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4/17/2014 | 1:44:48 PM
Re: Security v. Obscurity
I can see that point. So many have relied ONLY on security by obscurity (which IS bad) for protection that it is probably good to hammer that idea out of a Infosec neophyte's head... However, I still think the more exprienced infosec folk, who realize that their primary defense needs to be true secure design, can add some obscurity to the mix too... ^_^
David F. Carr
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4/17/2014 | 1:39:22 PM
Re: Custom platforms another example of security by obscurity
One site I converted to WordPress previously ran on a CMS of sorts that you could edit by going to www.mydomain.com/data/ - no password required, pure security by obscurity. So compared with that, WordPress was certainly a huge improvement.
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4/17/2014 | 1:28:27 PM
Security v. Obscurity
Better to deride obscurity than end up back where we started: Obscurity is Security
CNACHREINER981
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CNACHREINER981,
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4/17/2014 | 1:27:16 PM
Re: slows down an attack -- so it helps
Yep... we agree. The best security is securely designed systems, but there is no point in making those systems easy to find. ^_^

 

Corey
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CNACHREINER981,
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4/17/2014 | 1:25:49 PM
Re: Custom platforms another example of security by obscurity
I absolutely agree... However, to be devils advocate to this point (and my own article), I think this will only be the case if you have security conscious and trained folks creating the custom systems. Since they are blackboxes, custom systems are more difficult for an attacker to enumerate. However, the arguement against them is sometimes the folks creating custom systems aren't necessarily the best secure coders or designers. Because of its popularity and past issues, Wordpress has had to spend time and money learning about secure design... Another example is when non-cryptologists try to roll their own encryption. It usually ends in disaster..

However, it's kind of like the hidden rock WITH the combination lock example. If you have folks who are experts at secure design, and you use them to create a custom system, you have the benefit of both layers. The secure design limits the true vulnerabilities in the system, and the fact that it's custom adds that extra layer that makes it hard (and thus less ROI for the attacker) to figure out!

Cheers,

Corey
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CNACHREINER981,
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4/17/2014 | 1:19:48 PM
Re: Know your risks first
That is an excellent point! When relying on someone elses' systems (the cloud) obscurity is NOT good. We need transparency in what tactics and strategies our external partners are using to protect out data...

But in that sense, the external partner becomes an extension of ourselves. I wouldn't argue we obscure things from trusted parties, only from truly untrusted attackers.

Thanks for you thoughts!

Corey
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4/17/2014 | 12:55:03 PM
Know your risks first
Interesting article, Corey. Something to consider here is that there is a distinction between obscurity, where you rely upon the use of an unknown or custom system to trip up a tracker, and a defensive posture where you don't emit system details without cause.

However, it's also worth looking at what risks you're protecting against. If you're describing a strategy for protecting your servers, it makes total sense to not expose your Apache patch level; if you're looking at an infosec program for your data stored in a public cloud platform (say, Google Apps) from leak, obscurity isn't nearly as sensible a strategy. In general terms, outsider threat is defended against via (amongst other things) an approach of least information exposure; insider risk is mitigated by clarity and classification that helps avoid unintentional breach or leak. 
David F. Carr
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4/17/2014 | 10:49:36 AM
Custom platforms another example of security by obscurity
There's also some security benefit from using a custom platform, such as a homegrown content management system instead of WordPress. WordPress has the advantage of being tested constantly by those trying to break it (maliciously or not), so security flaws tend to be found and patched -- which is good as long as you can keep up with the patches. Even then, hackers know that the login url is likely to be www.somedomain.com/wp-admin/ so they can throw brute force attacks against that and other known addresses like the one for sending trackbacks. A custom system may have more latent flaws, but they won't be as widely known as with a popular open source software platform.
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