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Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
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Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter,
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12/1/2011 | 7:31:01 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
"The law gives carriers a lot of leeway in capturing data traveling over their networks, for specifically this reason--quality control--going back to the days of copper wires. So the wiretap laws create exceptions," he said.

But what their software is doing is recording my keystrokes in my phone that may or may not be sent over their network, then covertly sending it to them... even over Wi-fi connections that are NOT THEIR NETWORK. They are recording my notepad entries, calender entries, grocery lists.

Paint is grey if you wish, but it is still black and white.
fredaevans
fredaevans,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/1/2011 | 7:28:03 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
True to a degree. If you have your phone turned on the nearest cell phone tower is tracking its location. It's not so much that it's 'gathering' information, but knowing where you are for incoming calls.
DHOOVER079
DHOOVER079,
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12/1/2011 | 7:27:07 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
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fredaevans
fredaevans,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/1/2011 | 7:21:41 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
I'm not too sure if there really is any violation of 'wire tapping' here. This system operates off of cell phones and the like (millions in use at any given time). Once you hit 'send' on a cell phone it becomes a 'radio transmitter' to a cell phone tower (then into a land line?) There was a big stink years back as you could easily build a set that would intercept any call being made in close proximity. Also (as I understand same) the 'wire tap' laws for land lines vs cell phone numbers is not the same; in one case a specific phone number. The other 'any number' an individual may use.

One way or the other this will get interesting.
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nightmage80
nightmage80,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/1/2011 | 7:04:42 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
Also... why is the phone company allowed to spy on us? Does the wiretapping law really extend to data usage as well or is that just implied and untested?
KPICKERING000
KPICKERING000,
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12/1/2011 | 6:51:29 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
It's worth noting that Eckhart discovered that CarrierIQ tracks and captures data travelling over Wi-Fi, i.e., data not part of any carrier network. It even captures data when the phone isn't connected to any network at all. If that's not a violation of the law, then the law is written too narrowly.
skyhawk83
skyhawk83,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/1/2011 | 6:47:13 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
Well...I guess the hackers are going to have fun with this one.
Psyanomaly
Psyanomaly,
User Rank: Apprentice
12/1/2011 | 6:27:59 PM
re: Carrier IQ Vs. Wiretap Laws
Just a thought.... I wonder if the data collected, in its transmission is also counting against the users data plan.
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